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Is community energy storage a smart choice for a smart grid?

Our paper entitled Community Energy Storage: A smart choice for the smart grid? has recently been accepted in Applied Energy. The paper looks at the economic drivers for energy storage when considered from the perspective of an individual household compared with a community perspective.

The main motivation behind the paper was the engineering intuition that a battery in every household does not seem likely to be an optimal solution for the future smart grid, given high battery costs and the rare and expensive nature of the constituent raw materials for battery manufacture. In the paper, we study the economic arguments for both individual households and communities, which illustrated a number of key points as outlined below:

  • Most importantly, aggregating household demand profiles reduces the required battery capacity, with each kWh (kilo-Watt hour) of installed storage being significantly more effective at integrating PV generation when deployed at the community level.
  • It is possible to realize significant cost benefits at a community level from the economy of scale of both batteries and inverters.
  • However, the rate of economic return for individual household batteries is more robust to the changes in the solar resource, despite being less effective for PV integration. This is due to the fact that it doesn’t make economic sense for an individual household to purchase a battery which can always store all the surplus generation, rather an economically optimum size is likely to be a size which can be fully utilized most days.

Due to the points above, our work highlights the concern that residential storage may gain a significant market foothold despite community-level batteries being much more effective from both an economic and a costs perspective. Accordingly, it is crucial for energy policy to consider new market mechanisms to encourage community storage projects in areas where they are more economic and environmental.

Forming communities of neighbours by joining households along the road network in Cambridge, MA

Important modelling assumptions

The paper considers a future scenario wherein the electricity price ($0.35/kWh) is high enough that batteries do provide a return for some users, and we model demand, PV generation and network structure based on empirical data. We also assume a FIT rate which is much lower than current rates ($0.05/kWh), which is based on average wholesale prices for electricity production. Hence in a regime wherein solar PV is widespread, we may expect PV to be rewarded at near-wholesale price levels.

The location data comes from an electric utility in Cambridge and the raw data cannot be shared, however to model the demand and PV generation data we use the Pecan Street project, which supports free academic access to data. Using the location data, we generate hypothetical communities of households, which are grown outwards along the road network, using a multi-source breadth-first search method based on the Dijkstra shortest path algorithm. This could also be useful for estimating the topology of the real distribution network, however, validation in this regard is difficult as the exact topology is deemed sensitive for security reasons.

For each community, and for each individual household, we find the level of storage that maximizes the Net Present Value (NPV) of the battery system. We simulate approximately 4500 consumption patterns for a month using 484 actual demand patterns in the Pecan Street data. Furthermore, we generalize our results to a high degree by considering many different PV sizes, based on empirical distributions of the sizes that households tend to install.

All the code available for running the simulations is available on github.


Lightsail – another setback for thermo-mechanical energy storage

Recently there has been another blow for thermo-mechanical energy storage, and in particular adiabatic CAES, as Lightsail – the much hyped company bankrolled by Bill Gates – has entered “hibernation”. This appears to be due to running out of cash, with the company ceasing operations. This is can be added to list of failures in CAES, including SustainX and ApexCAES.

Lightsail’s concept – the $70 million idea

Many have watched the company with interest given its hype, larger than life founder and large amounts of investor funding – sources indicate this exceeded $70 million. Their various claims of high thermodynamic efficiencies which had already been achieved were also interesting – although it is hard to tell from the little available information whether this was simply a result of including the compression heat in their calculations (if you are interested in compressor performance you typically only consider the difference in air enthalpy between compressor inlet and outlet). As such, a little skepticism regarding this is probably healthy, which is emphasized by the company’s switch from CAES system to high pressure storage container manufacturer. Their water-spray injected compressor was an interesting idea, but was probably difficult to manufacture in practice. Moisture in compressed air can cause many problems including corrosion, aiding the build up of sludge deposits by mixing with oil/dust and as a result increasing pipe pressure losses, and causing faults in sensor and control equipment to name just a few issues off the top of my head. Crucially, it must also have been very difficult to avoid freezing during their expansion process, and water droplets/icicles in fast moving machinery can also be incredibly damaging. I should also note that their patent does also refer to oil spray injection.

Lightsail’s move to high pressure container storage manufacturer smacks of desperation and suggests to me that the management realised that they had completely underestimated the scale of the ACAES challenge – indeed a review from a former employee on glassdoor quotes the Cons of working at Lightsail as “Large scale energy storage is NOT an easy problem to solve”! The high pressure storage tank is probably the only part of the ACAES system that actually exists off-the-shelf, which throws up questions of why this would be the component of choice to manufacture. I have discussed in previous posts my opinion that it is most certainly a misconception to think that a ACAES system can be constructed with “off-the-shelf” components. The primary reason would seem to be that they thought they could implement a marked reduction in container costs compared to leading manufacturers, and a recognition that building high pressure vessels was certainly possible, as these type of containers do exist and have a market. This would have potentially allowed them to make incremental scientific progress and make a better or cheaper version of a product that already exists rather than the more ambitious aim of a game-changing energy storage technology. The problem with this turned out to be that they couldn’t make a product that was enough of an improvement to ship many orders.

It is very difficult to work out exactly what went on at Lightsail – I would love to talk to someone who worked there as I’m sure they were full of talented employees. There were also various reports about questionable spending habits on behalf of the senior management – again a look on glassdoor also suggests this. At least they were probably good to their employees, even offering pet insurance as a benefit…

In any case, it’s a huge shame for thermo-mechanical energy storage, and what’s most frustrating is that there is almost no ability for anyone to learn from the technical failures that undoubtedly sank the company. Picking through the Lightsail patents (now owned by the Silicon Valley Bank) is difficult, and they just seem to be full of quite generic ideas, with no indication of any ingenuity in the designs. This reinforces why these early stage companies are so frustrating, and can ultimately be bad for the technology development, as they simply put-off would be investors while no new scientific knowledge can be gained. Maybe I will email Bill Gates and see if he can push for any knowledge to be made public…

CAES: A simple idea but a difficult practice

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In the mainstream there are two main branches of Compressed Air Energy Storage (CAES) – conventional and adiabatic.

  1. Conventional CAES

Conventional (also known as diabatic) CAES plants are essentially gas turbines in which air is pre-compressed using off-peak electricity, rather than running a turbine and compressor simultaneously. In these plants, off-peak grid electricity is used to compress air which is stored, and then mixed with natural gas and combusted during expansion. Compression is staged and the majority of the compression heat wasted (although some may be stored in a recuperator to pre-heat the air before combustion). Currently there are two commercial CAES plants worldwide; the Huntorf plant in Germany and the McIntosh plant in Alabama.

  • Huntorf CAES plant: Data from [1]. 310,000m3 cavern at a depth of 600m, pressure tolerance between 50 – 70 bar, converted from a solution mined salt dome. Daily charging cycle of 8h, output of 290MW for 2 hours. 0.8kWh of electricity and 1.6kWh of gas required to produce 1kWh of electricity. Notably, built when the price of gas turbines was historically high.
  • McIntosh CAES plant: Data from [2]. 538,000m3 salt cavern at a depth of 450m, pressure tolerance between 45-76 bar. Originally it provided an output of 110MW for 26 hours but in 1998 two extra generators were added and its total output capacity is now 226MW. 0.69kWh of electricity and 1.17kWh of gas to produce 1kWh of electricity.

Both plants are commercially viable and still running in their respective markets!


Figure 1: Schematic of diabatic CAES system.

As with Pumped Hydro Storage (PHS), CAES also requires favourable geography to provide the underground air storage caverns. However there are many more suitable sites worldwide than for PHS, although the costs are highly site specific. The costs of mining a suitable underground cavern where suitable geology doesn’t exist or creating an above-ground equivalent storage container are potentially prohibitive, whereas alternatively a naturally occurring cavern or somewhere easily minable may offer a very attractive price of storage in terms of $/kWh (or dollars per metre cubed of air storage).

Caverns can be created in salt geology (typically using salt solution mining techniques) or existing caverns can be exploited provided that they are capable of housing the desired pressure. Geological formations such as aquifers and salt formations (bedded salt and domal salt) offer potential locations. Costs can also be reduced if existing well infrastructure is in place from previous underground drilling operations. While specific geology is required, this geology is relatively widespread. For example, the EPRI suggests that up to 80% of the US could have favourable geology [3] (see Figure 2).

US CAES map with wind resources marked

Figure 2: US geology for compressed air caverns. Regions with high wind resources are also indicated with the idea that CAES sites and wind turbines could be co-located [4].

Estimates for the costs of cavern mining can be as low as $1/kWh of storage capacity if solution mining techniques can be used [5]. In solution mining, fresh water is pumped in a salt deposit, becomes saturated with salt and is then removed. One problem however is that disposal of this brine can cause environmental issues.

1.1 CAES Performance Characteristics and Applications

CAES systems have traditionally been designed as centralised storage facilities which are intended to cycle on a daily basis and to operate efficiently during partial load conditions. This design approach allows CAES units to swing quickly from generation to compression modes and means that they are well suited to ancillary services markets, providing frequency regulation. Their ability to operate on a (intra) daily cycles means that they are also useful for load-following/peak shaving. The air storage caverns can also be very large, allowing for multiple days worth of electricity storage.

It should be noted that the inlet pressure (45-76 bar) for the CAES high pressure turbine is much higher than the equivalent for a typical gas turbine (about 11 bar) so a typical gas turbine can only be used as the low pressure expander. The high pressure turbine at Huntorf is based on a small-intermediate steam turbine design.

1.2 Table of Cost Estimates

Typical Capacity Typical Power Efficiency Storage Duration $/kWh $/kW Lifespan Cycling capacity
500MWh – 2.5GWh 50 – 300MW n/a Hours – days 4-7 [6], 2-50 [7], 60  – 120 [8] 300-600 [6], 400-800 [7], 1000-1250 [8] 20-40 years High

Table 1: CAES cost characteristics


  1. Adiabatic CAES

Adiabatic CAES is an energy storage concept that removes the natural gas combustion from conventional diabatic CAES. In adiabatic CAES the heat generated by the compression of air (the charging process) is stored in a Thermal Energy Store (TES) which is separate from the ambient temperature high pressure air store. When the system is discharged the high pressure air is reheated using this stored heat and then expanded. Without the stored heat, the process has an unacceptably low efficiency – this is because significant exergy is stored in the heat as well as the cool high pressure air. When the heat is recovered, the expected practical efficiency of these systems is debated – though the second law of thermodynamics does not pose a ceiling on the efficiency as for  heat engine – it just means that the real process has to be less than 100% efficient. Pragmatic estimates of the real efficiencies of this type of system are debated; most of the academic literature estimates practical efficiencies in the range of 60-75% [9,10]. If a plant could be constructed with no inefficiencies in any process – the theoretical efficiency would approach 100%.

2.1 Status

As no demonstration plant has ever been successfully constructed, Adiabatic CAES must be considered as an unproven technology. It does however have significant promise for use with renewables integration, energy management, peak shaving and grid reserves. The largest planned demonstration ACAES facility is a 290 MW adiabatic CAES project based in Germany called project ADELE [11]. It is a consortium between German utilities RWE and GE, the German Aerospace Center DLR, construction company Zublin, the Fraunhofer IOSB and the Unversity of Magdeburg.

Adiabatic CAES

Figure 3: A simple schematic of an ACAES configuration. There is a thermal store for each compression stage.

A schematic diagram of an ACAES system is shown Figure 3. In this configuration, air is compressed and then cooled using counter-current heat exchangers that transfer the heat from the air into a thermal fluid. This thermal fluid could then be stored in an insulated tank and used to reheat the air prior to each expansion stage. Several people have also suggested the use of Packed Bed regenerators to store the compression heat in the air.

2.2 Underwater CAES

Underwater CAES is a sub-type of ACAES which exploits an underwater Compressed Air Store at a depth of typically around 400m. The ambient pressure at this depth is approximately 40 times the atmospheric pressure, and the air store is either a flexible bag or a dome structure open at the bottom. As air is pumped into the storage container it displaces water and thus the store can operate at a constant pressure. This idea was pioneered by Prof Seamus Garvey and Dr Andrew Pimm at the University of Nottingham, as well as by researchers at the University of Windsor Ontario and Canadian startup Hydrostor (whose work is ongoing at the time of writing).

2.3 Fuelless CAES

The usage of the term “adiabatic CAES” is also somewhat ambiguous, as the term “adiabatic” is sometimes used to refer to the compressions and sometimes to refer to the overall process – i.e. the energy storage process aims to be adiabatic in the sense that ideally, it would exchange negligible heat with the surroundings. Therefore some authors therefore prefer the use of the umbrella term Fuelless CAES. This then clearly encompasses all compressed air processes which aim to store and return energy without the use of fossil fuels. This includes systems which have typically been labelled as isothermal CAES.

2.4 Isothermal CAES

In isothermal CAES the compressions aim to be isothermal and reversible. This is theoretically achieved by minimising the temperature differences which drive heat flow from the compressors to the environment (which is at a lower temperature). A huge challenge here is to make an isothermal compression process which operates sufficiently quickly to be of practical industrial importance but which is still slow enough to maintain the small temperature differences required for high reversibility. One idea for near-isothermal compression which has been suggested by LightSail (a start-up company in California) involves a water spray into the compression chamber of a specially designed reciprocating compressor/expander unit (see Figure 4). The water droplets absorb the heat of compression and their high specific heat capacity causes the temperature increase in the compression chamber to be much smaller. This warm water is then stored and on discharge is re-injected as a mist into the reciprocating machine which now acts as an expander.

Figure 4: Illustrating a near-isothermal CAES concept [12]

Isothermal CAES was also being pioneered by SustainX, however this company has ceased operations citing spiralling system costs. Lightsail Energy and SustainX had a similar goal of an efficiency above 60% for their first generation of machines and believe that 75% is achievable in the long term. The SustainX prototype was a 1.5 MW machine.

2.5 ACAES Challenges

There are several challenges which must be overcome before adiabatic CAES can become a viable energy storage technology option.

  • Specialised compressor equipment must be developed, in which the heat generated during the compression procedure is stored in a highly reversible manner. This process seems most likely to consist of a series of adiabatic compressions in which heat losses from the compressor to the surroundings are minimised. The compressors must also operate with much higher compression ratios than current compressors which do not involve cooling during the compression. Each of the compressions is then followed by a cooling stage which aims to reversibly extract the compression heat. Possible options for heat extraction include packed bed regenerators or counter-current indirect contact air-to-fluid heat exchangers. This type of compression equipment is fundamentally different to industrial many industrial compressors. Why? Because the vast majority of compressors are designed to minimise the work required to achieve air at a given pressure. Most industrial compressions then typically involve trying to shed as much heat as possible from the compression process – as hot air takes more work to compress. The ACAES process is fundamentally different as reversibility should be maximised rather than work minimised. In fact, the greater the reversible work is per cubic metre of compressed air the higher the energy density of the storage system.
  • Specialised expansion equipment must also be developed. Air turbines which provide highly isentropic expansions and operate within the desired pressure ratios are required. The expansion process of an Adiabatic CAES system should aim to mirror as closely as possible the reverse compression process. Therefore it should include the same number of expansion stages and heating stages, and expansion stages must aim to minimise heat gain and return all heat reversibly during the heating stages. While these turbines do not currently exist on the industrial market, it is anticipated that their design can learn much from the current generation of gas turbines for power generation. The pressure ratios will likely be smaller than most current gas turbines. One specific advantage is that the material demands will be much less (in terms of temperature tolerance) than current gas turbines which operate with inlet temperatures up to 2200K.
  • Sliding pressures. Unless the system can be operated between constant operational pressures, both the compression and expansion machinery must operate at maximum efficiency over a range of pressure ratios. A single constant high pressure air storage is a primary advantage of UnderWater CAES.
  • High pressure air storage. Depending on the chosen method of storage high pressure, air storage tanks must be developed which have minimum cost. This has apparently been a problem area both for SustainX and LightSail, however LightSail have released statements which hint that they may have found a method of lowering the costs.
  • highly reversible heat exchangers will also be required which can minimise the temperature difference between the working fluid and the thermal storage medium while introducing minimal pressure drops.

2.6 Notable experimental ACAES development

Lightsail (California) – startup.

Hydrostor (Ontario) – startup.

SustainX (Massachusetts) – startup (liquidated)

Project Adele (Ongoing utility/academic collaboration – big unexplained delays??)

University of Windsor – Prof. Rupp Carriveau and Dr. David Ting

University of Nottingham – Prof Seamus Garvey and Dr Andrew Pimm






[1] BBC Brown Boveri. Huntorf Air Storage Gas turbine Power Plant.

[2] M. Nakhamkin, L. Andersson, E. Swensen, J. Howard, R. Meyer, R. Schainker, R. Pollak, and B. Mehta, J. Eng. Gas Turbines Power 114, 695 (1992).

[3] Compressed Air Energy Storage: Renewable Energy (2010, March 17) retrieved 22 April 2017 from

[4] Succar, S & Williams, R.H.. Compressed Air Energy Storage: Theory, Resources, and Applications for Wind Power, Princeton University (published April 8, 2008)

[5] De Samaniego Steta, F. Modeling of an Advanced Adiabatic Compressed Air Energy Storage (AA-CAES) Unit and an Optimal Model-based Operation Strategy for its Integration into Power Markets. EEH – Power Systems Laboratory. Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) Zurich

[6] Kaldellis, J. K. & Zafirakis, D., 2007. Optimum energy storage techniques for the improvement of renewable energy sources-based electricity generation economic efficiency.. Energy, Volume 32, p. 2295–2305.

[7] Chen, H. et al., 2009. Progress in electrical energy storage system: A critical review. Progress in Natural Science, Volume 19, pp. 291-312.

[8] EPRI, 2010. Electricity Energy Storage Technology Options.

[9] G. Grazzini, A. Milazzo. A Thermodynamic Analysis of Multistage Adiabatic CAES. Proc IEEE, 100 (2) (2012), pp. 461–472

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[11] RWE Power. ADELE – Adiabatic Compressed Air Energy Storage for Electricity Supply.

[12] Fong, D. Insights by Danielle Fong.




Storage and the duck

The California duck curve is now infamous and is very often features in discussions around storage. The duck phenomenon is a result of several factors coming together at once to create a scenario in which there is significant strain on the electricity generation system.

The infamous California duck

The now infamous California duck.

Typically the output from solar panels is well-aligned with times of high electrical demand, especially in systems which have large cooling dominated loads. This is because it often gets hot when the sun is shining and people tend to be most active during the daylight hours.

Solar generation typically occurs when demand for electricity is high - during the middle of the day.

Solar generation typically occurs when demand for electricity is high – during the middle of the day.

However when there is a cool sunny day in systems which have a lot of solar panels that are typically used to meet cooling-driven loads, then the situation can arise in which the net demand for electricity which must be generated by conventional powerplants (i.e. coal, nuclear, gas) becomes depressed, as most of the demand can be met by the solar. This is a problem for utilities in itself as turning down the output on some of these plants (especially nuclear, to a lesser extent coal) is difficult and costly, so instead they sometimes opt to sell their electricity very cheaply (or even pay for it to be used when prices go negative). For utility-scale renewables this is also a problem, as they can end up in the situation where they simply have to stop producing electricity. On top of this, the power output from all the solar panels in a local region is very well correlated. Therefore they all start and stop producing power at close to the same time (there is some spread due to orientation and location). This leads to a sharp increase in the net demand leading up to the evening peak which typically occurs after the sun goes down. There are only certain types of plant which can react to changes in demand quickly (they have high ramp rates), for example gas and hydro and only hydro can do it cheaply, as conventional gas plants must already be running for some time at their Minimum Stable Generation levels before ‘ramping up’, which is often less economic and more polluting per unit of electrical output.

Solar Panel outputs from the Pecan Street project (

Solar Panel outputs from the Pecan Street project ( all producing electricity at the same time. Red line is the average

The concern about the duck is a prime driver for energy storage development. This storage can come in several forms – i.e. not just batteries coupled with the solar panels. Some of these are highlighted in this NPR discussion which includes fuelless Compressed Air Energy Storage, Concentrated Solar Power with thermal storage in Molten Salts and Ice Storage for cooling.

Ultimately it is all down to the economics. If the costs of storage are less than the increased costs of utilities as a result of having to provide the additional flexibility the duck requires, or if storage can increase the value of renewable energy sufficiently then it will become a viable option. At present the costs of curtailment are likely to be less than storage, but as the amount of curtailment increases and storage costs fall then this could rapidly change.



Energy Policy and the UK 2015 general election

This is just a very quick post to link to some useful resources and discussions regarding energy policy and the UK general election. Although it is very difficult to tell exactly what will arise from the tiny snippets of information given by the manifestos of the UK political parties, I think that energy and climate change are such important questions that these sections of the manifestos are worth looking at.

The Carbon Brief has a good blog post looking at the energy policies of the various parties that I would encourage anyone to read.

Between Labour and the Conservatives there isn’t too much to choose from, both support the climate change, support North Sea oil and see Nuclear as part of the future electricity mix. The Conservative plan to put a blanket halt to the development of onshore wind is slightly worrying, given the sizable onshore resource still available and the huge expense of installing turbines offshore. While onshore turbines aren’t suitable everywhere, current planning restrictions are pretty tight, and given the choice between the pollution and climate change threat associated with fossil fuels or “unsightly” wind turbines, it seems foolish to me to completely rule out the wind turbines! Their stance on fracking is another difference, with the Conservatives more strongly in favour.

The SNP and the lib dems are more supportive of renewables in general and of the development of CCS. The SNP also heavily supports the North Sea Oil and Gas industry.

Obviously the green party has an agenda heavily dominated by climate change, and they advocate ending tax breaks for fossil fuels and oppose nuclear power. They also have some fairly extreme goals for energy efficiency – i.e. a 50% reduction in energy demand by 2030. That’s not to say that with the right measures this isn’t achievable! Their position on nuclear power is difficult and I suspect that a softening on this view would see them gather more support, as many people – including Prof David MacKay – believe that some nuclear is probably a good idea given our current energy needs.

For anyone who believes that climate change poses a clear and present danger the UKIP manifesto is pretty scary – proposing to repeal the climate change act, remove renewable subsidies and use coal for cheap electricity.




China up to second for installed capacity of Pumped Hydro

While Pumped Hydroelectric Energy Storage (PHES) development has stalled in much of Europe and the USA, in the People’s Republic of China development is booming and the installed capacity had exceeded 22.5 GW by the end of 2014. This moves China into second place for installed pumped hydro globally above the USA which has approx. 21 GW; only Japan has more with 24.5 GW.

In addition, there is currently an additional 11.5 GW of pumped hydro under construction in China which is likely to see it take the lead by 2017. Japan is also currently constructing 3.3 GW of additional pumped storage. Figure 1 shows the development of PHES in Europe, Japan, China, USA and India.

Development of Pumped Hydroelectric Energy Storage in Europe, Japan, China, USA and India

Development of Pumped Hydroelectric Energy Storage in Europe, Japan, China, USA and India

Figure 1: PHES development in Europe, USA, China, Japan and India. Data from numerous sources including US DOE energy storage database. Available in text format here or from the downloads page.


While there are undoubtedly many reasons why investors in China and Japan are currently more willing to fund PHES schemes than those in Europe and the USA, the main difference seems to be due to the different regulatory and market structures that exist. In much of the US and Europe, PHES must be rewarded by the market and compete for services that are generally provided by power generation units – and it is treated in a very similar manner to these units. Treating electricity storage as generation makes little sense as storage makes pretty poor generation – the second law of thermodynamics forbids it from outputting more electricity than that which is inputted. Crucially, legislation normally forbids Transmission and Distribution (T&D) network operators from owning PHES (as well as generation). This means it is difficult to reward PHES for its use as a network asset and although the storage could provide benefits across the wider electrical network, the revenue available to them only reflects a small fraction of this value.

In China and Japan PHES plants are rewarded in a cost-of-service manner and can be used as network assets. The network operators can then dispatch these plants as they require for a variety of uses, including ancillary services (frequency response, voltage support, fast reserve etc), peak electric capacity and network congestion alleviation. If the plant can introduce an overall cost saving to the wider network then it is worth the investment.

Can negative electricity prices encourage inefficient electrical energy storage devices?

Following on from my earlier blog post I have written a journal article on this subject which has recently been published in the “International Journal of Environmental Studies”. The article is available to download here. It also gives a nice description of the mechanisms that can lead to negative electricity prices.

One of the main points is that we should only expect a less efficient storage device to be able to generate a higher revenue if the duration of the negative prices is long enough that a more efficient device with the same charging power would become fully charged before the end of the negative price period. Hence whether an inefficient device can indeed generate a higher revenue depends on the ratio between the charging power and the storage capacity. In the case of bulk storage (with the ability to charge and discharge for many hours) it seems unlikely that this situation will arise and the more efficient the device the more revenue it can generate.